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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 4, 2005 4:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Here's an advice link, including about not grovelling:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=39913

BTW there's been a rash of rapid ISO's lately. Shall we develop a consensus about whether it's better to just keep handing out advice, or start deleting more of them, or...? ISOs left to themselves usually attract more.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-04 12:06:08

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Poster: elkdog Date: Nov 4, 2005 12:54pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Is this thread an ISO?
If so, it's looking for a show that can't be posted on the Archive in the first place.
My question would be: since current Ratdog shows are off limits, should they be discussed here? I don't know. Someone just got blasted for seeking out Dead shows that are unavailable, and though some chose harsh words, I thought the post in question was out of line. Same thing?

I'm all for deleting ISO's that occur within, say, three weeks of the show. Make it an even month if you want. Tapers / uploaders provide a free service here, and as someone who benefits tremendously from their investment and effort, I really don't want things to get to a point where these people are taken for granted.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 4, 2005 10:08pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

It was an ISO, the poster edited it after Diana's comments though.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Nov 5, 2005 1:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Thanks for clarifying, Brad. I'd vote to delete it, since it's out of line on a couple of counts (3 days after the show, Ratdog's policiy prohibits posting that show, this isn't a trading board).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 5, 2005 2:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

I think the question is, do we just start deleting ISO's every time they show up? Or only the ISO's that are less than a month after the show etc...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 5, 2005 8:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Handling too-soon and other ISOs here

My own vote: I'd be happy with deleting *at least* the ones that are up to 3 or even up to 8 weeks out.

I can go either way on some older ones. Occasionally calls here for older shows bring forth a fileset, but that's not usual.

Deleting the trade-*unfriendlies* in any date range would be a good policy. Right now those are also at the followup-chide level.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-05 16:18:23

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 6, 2005 5:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Handling too-soon and other ISOs here

Additional type to consider: ISO's for shows that have been removed from collection (even if not commercially released yet). I'd incline toward deletion. Anyone else?

Ref thread, may go away later depending on consensus:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=46496

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 4, 2005 5:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

I vote to start deleting them.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Nov 4, 2005 7:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Then the question becomes, all ISO's or just too-soon ones?

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Poster: bonk Date: Nov 4, 2005 5:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Thanks!

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Poster: bonk Date: Nov 6, 2005 9:59pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon ISOs

Diana,
I meant no harm.I was just inquiring about the show.Thats all.I really appreciate all that you do for us.
Thanks

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 6, 2005 10:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

Understood, bonk. Although your post meant no harm it was still an exemplar of a forum issue that could use discussion. So then, how do *you* feel about handling various types of incoming ISO's? Opinions welcome- response has been light so far.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 7, 2005 11:24pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

i too was guilty of this in the summer . but mine did have to do with a band that is here at lma. i see what you are saying diana about iso's being posted too close to the actual show itself . guess some are just too anxious. but it is a good idea to wait until a month has past before an iso is posted. i think a month is long enough .

of course the show i was looking for still hasnt shown up

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 7, 2005 11:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

mine did have to do with a band that is here at lma

IMO, how to treat ISOs here should be independent of whether the band is otherwise represented here or not. It's the asking itself that is the problem at issue.

the show i was looking for still hasnt shown up

This illustrates that actively going somewhere else (to a band-specific fan site, a site devoted to person-to-person trading, etc) to uncover tapes would be a more successful strategy. Then once you have the tape in hand yourself, contribute it to this collection if that's allowed.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-08 07:52:35

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 8, 2005 5:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

agree with everything you say ! :)

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Poster: B.H. Toque Date: Nov 8, 2005 9:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

How about we delete all iso posts. There is probably a way to preempt them from being posted in the first place. The admins should not have to waste their time on this.

A nice link to the db.etree search page should suffice.

http://db.etree.org/etree_shnlist.php

If a taper makes a recording and never plans to circulate it, than an ISO won't do anything but waste space.

If a taper makes a recording and shares it, it will end up in the database even if you can't get it from here.

Shows I only circulated by b&p to people who asked for a copy at a show have found their way into the db because people add them to their trade lists.

Even a simple google search is capable of finding shows that are not listed in the db or archive. Any trader with a list on the web will come up with a simple 2 minute search.

The forum here should be for nothing but issues pertaining to use of the archive.

Call me crazy, but if you can't take the effort to look, I don't see why anyone should take the effort to spoon feed you a recording.

JAson

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 9, 2005 12:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

so what shows have you taped that are here ?

i wanna be spoon fed.... ;0~

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 9, 2005 1:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Too-soon and other ISOs

Spoon feeding:
-Type this into the search box above:
B.H. Toque

-Respect our top uploaders. ;)

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Poster: B.H. Toque Date: Nov 9, 2005 4:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: search function not 100% by uploader

Hey Diana,

I'd never thought to search for my user name before, so I just did. I wanted to see if only shows I had uploaded came up, or if stuff I taped that was upped for me by others would come up too. It seems that the search only checks the uploader field. However the search came up with 109 shows under my name, but I've had 116 completed by the contribution engine. I wonder if this is a glitch that affects all uploader searches? I obviously don't have access to test this with other contributors accounts, but one of the admins might want to check it out.

I'll pm Brad since I know he contributes as well as admins.

JAson

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 9, 2005 5:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: search function not 100% by uploader

Unfortunately, the search engine results are imperfect/incomplete compared to the normal Browse listings. Ref thread:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=33779
So, the SE is more like a handy approximation, not the ultimate authority.

In the simple search I suggested, it would have pulled up other listings that contained
B.H. Toque
in fields besides the upload field, if there happened to be any of those (like, reviewer?). But I guess you are not listed as B.H. Toque on many/any Taped By fields.

If you searched for
Jason Adler
you would likely get a different/overlapping range of hits.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-09 13:09:32

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 9, 2005 4:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: search function not 100% by uploader

Hi Jason,

It seems that the search only checks the uploader field.

Can you clarify this? There are some shows I transferred that come back in the search (like SCI 3/7/2000), so either this isn't right or I am confused in what you mean.

However the search came up with 109 shows under my name, but I've had 116 completed by the contribution engine.

Daunting task I realize - but can you identify 1 or 2 of the 7 missing ones so we can take a look?

-Brad

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